tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23438334.post116045922114545519..comments2024-03-27T11:18:53.456-07:00Comments on Temple of the Seven Golden Camels: Things They Don't Teach In Art School #3mark kennedyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11953166248647413142noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23438334.post-63519471704074661482006-12-11T11:28:00.000-08:002006-12-11T11:28:00.000-08:00This was really great. I learned a lot! I've alw...This was really great. I learned a lot! I've always wondered how artists successfully display a crowd. I would have done what you wanted to do and make everyone wear a different color, but yeah.. that does sound like it would become a mess!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23438334.post-1162179304042824882006-10-29T19:35:00.000-08:002006-10-29T19:35:00.000-08:00thanks for your great insight on drawing crowds al...thanks for your great insight on drawing crowds also I like how you always have a visual example of what you are talking about. this helps for people like me who learn better with visual aids. Thanks and I look forward to learning so much more from your blogAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23438334.post-1161883077254686142006-10-26T10:17:00.000-07:002006-10-26T10:17:00.000-07:00another amazing post!I love the way Morris dealt w...another amazing post!<BR/>I love the way Morris dealt with things like that- keeping everyting simple and clear- although I also believe it was done in order to save money printing- those comics have a very limited color palette anyway!<BR/><BR/>It'd be nice if Tom Sito reads this and could add some of his experiences; I believe it was him doing a lot of crowd scenes on 'Roger Rabbit' and 'Beauty And The Beast'.<BR/><BR/>Something that springs to mind is a couple of scenes with the dwarfs in 'Snow White' where they're all over each other fighting, and when you play those shots frame by frame you see that first of all, the dwarves lack a lot of line detail(example: no belts) and secondly their colors are animated/smeared for more fluidity(sometimes the beards have flesh color).Boris Hiestandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10899648137868635425noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23438334.post-1161803875921197392006-10-25T12:17:00.000-07:002006-10-25T12:17:00.000-07:00Thank you for the wonderful information on your bl...Thank you for the wonderful information on your blog. The lessons on keeping things non-symmetrical, using values, focus, and rhythm have been very useful. I am an art student, so I have been paying close attention! <BR/><BR/>(I have been re-reading old posts. . . the information never wears out, there is a lot to observe and think about)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23438334.post-1161795074260690212006-10-25T09:51:00.000-07:002006-10-25T09:51:00.000-07:00thanks for this. very enlightning stuff.Bthanks for this. very enlightning stuff.<BR/><BR/>Bwillboroughhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15338841028509960788noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23438334.post-1161778923799162902006-10-25T05:22:00.000-07:002006-10-25T05:22:00.000-07:00Fantastic post! Really insightful :D. 'Animating' ...Fantastic post! Really insightful :D. 'Animating' the characters is a really nice idea I've never heard of before:DDave Dickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07973144102195593357noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23438334.post-1161727861496700252006-10-24T15:11:00.000-07:002006-10-24T15:11:00.000-07:00Really brilliant stuff and very helpful!! Another ...Really brilliant stuff and very helpful!! Another thing that always gets me about crowds: Do i animate each character separate or do I just animate one big mob at the same time?<BR/>Shame though that the wilson color thing aint in color.<BR/><BR/>THANKS!!! I sure learnt none of this in art school. <BR/> <BR/>Des<BR/>(sorry couldnt log in)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23438334.post-1161722170406621102006-10-24T13:36:00.000-07:002006-10-24T13:36:00.000-07:00Fascinating. I always find what you write about so...Fascinating. I always find what you write about so interesting and applicable to many different areas of illustration.Julie Oakleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01561525327058025185noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23438334.post-1161677725151096422006-10-24T01:15:00.000-07:002006-10-24T01:15:00.000-07:00Thanks. Great!Thanks. Great!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23438334.post-1161661089213091342006-10-23T20:38:00.000-07:002006-10-23T20:38:00.000-07:00-sorry for previous delete... oooops:)Welcome back...-sorry for previous delete... oooops:)<BR/><BR/><BR/>Welcome back Mark. Beleive it or not even the tv world (Family Guy) deals with this same issue while boarding. We've sent out many a memo reminding people to treat crowds with 1 attitude. We go so far as to keep it that way all the way through production (yes, even on air) so it allows our scenes to cut quicker, with quicker reads for the viewing audience.<BR/>Live action does this, too. (at least good live action does:) ) Watch "Cool Hand Luke" (Paul Newman) during the scene when he's eating all those eggs. The crowd (for the most part) is handled as one group attitude. It helps to keep a visual focus us on the character that needs focus. I wish I could say I figured all this out on my own, but... Mark, go to the Disney Library, and check out a lecture from MAtt O'Callahan. (Sp?.. SORRY MATT...) He did it at Disney back during "Mermaid" days, but it covers what your talking about. Let me know if you can't find it, and I'll pass on mine to you.<BR/><BR/>Thanks again for always sharing your way with us. YOU ROCK!<BR/>ZAcZac Moncriefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15537733549812611323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23438334.post-1161660801130686982006-10-23T20:33:00.000-07:002006-10-23T20:33:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Zac Moncriefhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15537733549812611323noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23438334.post-1161632157700512522006-10-23T12:35:00.000-07:002006-10-23T12:35:00.000-07:00Excellent Lesson -Thanks!I love your examples of t...Excellent Lesson -Thanks!<BR/><BR/>I love your examples of the "animated" groups. This technique was masterfully exploited by illustrator Ezra Jack Keats in "Over In The Meadow." A 2-page spread shows a mother muskrat with 4 young muskrats diving. The ratties are simplified to basic shapes and two basic colors, with coarse textures suggesting fur and water. They dive from left to right in a perfect Muybridge simulation!<BR/><BR/>I wish I could post the art. Keats is an absolute master of design! Every student of art should look him up. <BR/><BR/>Keep up the good work!<BR/><BR/>ChuckAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23438334.post-1161630661856333402006-10-23T12:11:00.000-07:002006-10-23T12:11:00.000-07:00Unless I've missed something, you don't seem to ha...Unless I've missed something, you don't seem to have sourced the great panel of desert fighters. Looks like Herge to me, but it would be better for both readers and featured artists if you stated it in the post.<BR/><BR/>Great piece, good thoughts to chew on.Jeremiah McNicholshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11586987877676673757noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23438334.post-1161625188354889452006-10-23T10:39:00.000-07:002006-10-23T10:39:00.000-07:00Awesome post, not underwhelming in the least. See...Awesome post, not underwhelming in the least. Seems like I remember some crowd scenes in some Warner's cartoons that use the color them all the same color technique. It's a pretty good one and the animated poses technique is a revelation for me! Thanks Mark!christopherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18371010848732985671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23438334.post-1161596981139451302006-10-23T02:49:00.000-07:002006-10-23T02:49:00.000-07:00In The Incredibles, i think the same notes would a...In The Incredibles, i think the same notes would apply to the crowd scenes in black and white where people are demanding for supers to step down, the shots are too short for us to actualy observe each indivudual but the expressions and body language sells the idea of an angry crowd. <BR/><BR/>thanks for the great post Mark!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23438334.post-1161574798094668912006-10-22T20:39:00.000-07:002006-10-22T20:39:00.000-07:00Excellent! Very helpful! Thanks!Excellent! Very helpful! Thanks!Graham Rosshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10536598896377848032noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23438334.post-1161560035927115682006-10-22T16:33:00.000-07:002006-10-22T16:33:00.000-07:00Hey Jesse-That's a good point about the pink. Ther...Hey Jesse-<BR/><BR/>That's a good point about the pink. There are much better examples of this method but I couldn't find them. I am going to supplement with a little bit better example now.<BR/><BR/>Hey Randeep -<BR/><BR/> Thanks for the good wishes, hope things are going well for you too.mark kennedyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11953166248647413142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23438334.post-1161558954092816932006-10-22T16:15:00.000-07:002006-10-22T16:15:00.000-07:00Hey Mr. Kennedy, thanks for this - we're not gonna...Hey Mr. Kennedy, thanks for this - we're not gonna have any crowd shots in the film this year, but this definitely helps for my own little side projects that I got going!<BR/><BR/>Hope to hear from you soon, don't work yourself to the bone! Things are crazy up here too! Hope you're well.<BR/><BR/>-R.Randeep Katarihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02513054840931685761noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23438334.post-1161547800615601862006-10-22T13:10:00.000-07:002006-10-22T13:10:00.000-07:00Good observations. I like your point about only se...Good observations. I like your point about only selling one idea per shot.<BR/><BR/>But I gotta say, that first Lucky Luke panel looks awful. Coloring a crowd bright pink sucks all of our attention, and feels totally unnatural. I much prefer the approach taken in that Great Mouse Detective crowd, where the characters sport different colors, keyed to roughly the same value.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com